More bad publicity....

[Mr Ripple]

And I think that what you read into the statement on the wikipedia page about smoking appearing to be a protective factor might not be quite right. Maybe you could explain in more detail though? I’m interested.

I havnt read anything into anything?

In fact the wikipedia article says smoking might be a protective factor for people that work in popcorn factories.

 

[Mr Ripple]

Thread revival alert!!!!
Popcorn lung is more common in smoking related diseases than gets reported on cos its not that easy to diagnose.
It just gets banded in with cronic obstructive pulmonary disease (COPD).

Do we know that for sure?

Explaining that popcorn lung has been around for years before vaping or even before the first recognised case identified in its name sake factory is not easy.
Popcorn lung is simply the name given to the case of bronchiolitis obliterans identified to have been directly caused Diacetyl exposure during the manufacturing of popcorn.
Smoking causes a multitude of pulmonary diseases but none of them will be called popcorn lung as cigarettes dont contain popcorn.
The smoking related equivalent to popcorn lung will be diagnosed as bronchiolitis or chronic obstructive pulmonary disease (copd).

Hopefully the below will explain better than i can.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S2214750015300767

Extract from above link
"Fixed airway obstruction, including BO disease, is a subset of conditions under the general category of chronic obstructive pulmonary disease or COPD"
BO standing for "Bronchiolitis obliterans"

Extract from above link

"Table 1. Generally accepted diagnostic criteria for bronchiolitis obliterans disease.

1.
Pulmonary function tests show clinically important fixed obstructive deficits indicating small airways disease without appreciable impacts on total lung volume and gas exchange measurements.

2.
The obstructive changes are resilient to treatment by corticosteroids or bronchodilators.

3.
The patient⿿s lungs show a mosaic pattern of attenuation on high resolution computed tomography (HRCT) scans indicating air trapping,

The diagnostic criteria used for BO disease overlap with the manifestations of other lung disorders having variable etiologies. For example, mosaic lung attenuation has also been observed in asthma and emphysema [52,92]. There are also similarities with clinical presentation and pulmonary function testing between BO disease and other obstructive lung diseases [52]. In addition to a detailed medical and exposure history, a lung biopsy is often essential to distinguish BO disease from various other diseases potentially affecting the bronchioles [73].

Laohaburanakit and colleagues [52] noted that:

⿿In the case of BO that is not related to transplantation, the diagnosis is much more challenging and requires a high index of suspicion. The clinical presentation, as well as pulmonary function testing characteristics of BO, are non-specific and resemble other obstructive diseases such as asthma and COPD [chronic bronchitis and emphysema]. [⿯] Surgical lung biopsy, either by open lung biopsy or video-assisted thoracoscopic surgery (VATS) is usually required when BO occurs outside of transplantation and the diagnosis cannot be made by transbronchial biopsy.⿿

 

[zouzounaki]

So you state a fact, then try and back it up with an article that doesn’t state any facts. Can’t you just type in a simple direct sentence what it is you think about this?

Edited for clarity: you say, BO is often misdiagnosed as....

To state this as a fact, the previous diagnosis would have to be ruled out, and BO diagnosed. You see? What you are talking about is simply an idea. A suspicion. But you are stating it as a fact.

 

[zouzounaki]

The only thing that is not well documented is the diagnosed cases caused by smoking.
The reasons its not very well documented it that it is often undiagnosed as the symptoms of popcorn lung are the same as other conditions.

This, specifically. I’m not aware of any documented cases of it being caused by smoking. If you can point any out, that would be good. Otherwise, you can’t prove something by pointing out undiagnosed cases of it. Because there’s no evidence that there even are any undiagnosed cases. That’s implicit in the word “undiagnosed”. Just a suspicion that there might be.

 

[Mr Ripple]

This, specifically. I’m not aware of any documented cases of it being caused by smoking. If you can point any out, that would be good. Otherwise, you can’t prove something by pointing out undiagnosed cases of it. Because there’s no evidence that there even are any undiagnosed cases. That’s implicit in the word “undiagnosed”. Just a suspicion that there might be.

There are millions of if not billions of cases of diseases classed as bronchiolitis obliterans which are caused by smoking.

 

[Mr Ripple]

@zouzounaki can i ask if you know what popcorn lung is?

 

[zouzounaki]

I’m wondering at this point whether you know what it is.

 

[Mr Ripple]

I’m wondering at this point whether you know what it is.

Humour me?
If i dont know then at least you can educate me.

 

[zouzounaki]

Humour me?
If i dont know then at least you can educate me.

You’re on the internet, no?

 

[Mr Ripple]

You’re on the internet, no?

Youre the one asking the questions though no?