New York bans flavours

[vapesmarter]

The usa I was just aiming at but then this shit happens

The uk with brexit no one is spending I was talking to a few people over the last few days the phone has been very busy but the order book is low.... one person said “I don’t care anymore if we are in out or shake it all about I’m done I’m into cash reserves”

Last year was nice steady but you become complacent the money you invest back in then you constantly worry when work gets low the internet and adverts is fast you have to be on Instagram all the time or on arsebook talking shit or people just forget you are even making

But the market is fickle pods are shit closely followed by 3D printed stuff but the demand is there for them the 3D printed mod I nail-gunned to a oak beam is still there I boarded over it today long may it rest RIP my little 3D printed friend your owner got the push as he was a twonk and didn’t know what 4 inches was in millimetres even though we shouted at him “look in your pants”

 

[Rickster]

It comes down to what I said before

I’m in my workshop and Alfie and terry are chatting they cook up a pill it will cure cancer and the common cold

“Imagine says terry no more dripping noses and nasty death”

The flip side and I’m being biased here but who is going to employ or those cancer specialists and charities

The truth is Alfie will be dog napped and poor terry will be a pancake on the car tyre of big Pharma

I thought I told you to keep your glass half full, the cancer specialists and charities will retrain and adopt a new cause....ffs man get a grip

 

[vapesmarter]

I thought I told you to keep your glass half full, the cancer specialists and charities will retrain and adopt a new cause....ffs man get a grip

I’m trying......no wait

 

[Rickster]

I’m trying......no wait

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Where were the yanks n Indians hiding when TPD was raging through Europe......fking nowhere to be seen...bastards

 

[Haze]

already explained in another thread in UK.....

avg smoker 20 a day = £10 x 365 = £3,650
of which £2,500 is duty/VAT

aprox 6m smokers left in UK, on those figures = £15bn

figures obtained from an old duty/tax calculator but yeah about right I think today.....

https://www.thisismoney.co.uk/money...tor-tax-pay-beer-wine-cigarettes-spirits.html

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now obviously duty free, dodgy imported fags, roll ups this figure is wound back a bit
but highlights the revenue generated from smokers (in UK)

and as said NY is the most expensive state in US to buy fags

In addition to the human cost, smoking as a whole costs our economy about 15billion a year. So par for the course.

 

[vapesmarter]

In addition to the human cost, smoking as a whole costs our economy about 15billion a year. So par for the course.

Not being a picky idiot which I can be but it’s the other way round smokers like drinkers and sugar eaters/ junk food eaters/ diesel car drivers bring money into the governments coffers

You would pay more money in tax aka duty if you were fat/ ate takeaways / smoker / drinker and drove a diesel transit into London every day

 

[Haze]

Not being a picky idiot which I can be but it’s the other way round smokers like drinkers and sugar eaters/ junk food eaters/ diesel car drivers bring money into the governments coffers

You would pay more money in tax aka duty if you were fat/ ate takeaways / smoker / drinker and drove a diesel transit into London every day

Not according to the government website or any other source you can find. They make anywhere between 12-15billion from smokers and smokers cost the economy anywhere between 13-15billion.

Around 3-6bn is the cost to NHS alone. Then there’s lost man hours from hospital treatment time. Lost man hours due to smoking related deaths. Lost man hours for sick days. Lost man hours from longer waiting times for others. Fires caused by cigarettes etc etc etc. Then there’s things like unscheduled cigarette breaks that apparently cost 200mil to the NHS alone. Imagine how much that translates to for the entire countries workforce.

So many factors at play that cost the economy. It’s not as black and white as you make it seem. So you can be picky... but I’m pickier [emoji14]

 

[vapesmarter]

Not according to the government website or any other source you can find. They make anywhere between 12-15billion from smokers and smokers cost the economy anywhere between 13-15billion. Around 3bn cost to NHS alone. Not including lost man hours from hospital treatment time. Lost man hours due to smoking related deaths and sick days. Lost man hours from longer waiting times for others. Fires caused by cigarettes etc etc etc

Ok I used this

https://fullfact.org/economy/does-smoking-cost-much-it-makes-treasury/

But if I’m wrong and vaping takes over we will still continue to spend money in the next 30 years on smoking related illness so if that money is being spent to treat those people where will come from if no one is smoking it’s a catch 22 situation

 

[Haze]

Ok I used this

https://fullfact.org/economy/does-smoking-cost-much-it-makes-treasury/

But if I’m wrong and vaping takes over we will still continue to spend money in the next 30 years on smoking related illness so if that money is being spent to treat those people where will come from if no one is smoking it’s a catch 22 situation

That article itself says it’s not factoring in economic cost.

The future cost is irrelevant, it will be small change in the grand scheme of things. It will balance itself out year on year as the cost gets less and less and productivity increases more and more from a smoke free society. I don’t think you can even put a price on those last 3 words... Much like smoking as it is now, a smoke free society will basically be paying for itself. Call me an optimist but that’s how I see it.

They may even get tobacco companies to subsidise it if their plans heading towards 2030 are to be taken seriously.

 

[eyeball kid]

Ok I used this

https://fullfact.org/economy/does-smoking-cost-much-it-makes-treasury/

But if I’m wrong and vaping takes over we will still continue to spend money in the next 30 years on smoking related illness so if that money is being spent to treat those people where will come from if no one is smoking it’s a catch 22 situation

As ever, we'll get conflicting report's from both ends of the spectrum but with the UK aligning itself for the Yankee dollar and still standing firm on pro vaping, the proof is in the pudding.
It will pass bud. We had endless threads and stockpiling around tpd but it evolved and we became used to importing.
Americas vapers will find a workaround and fingers crossed folks will start spending again.
Cash is short all over and until brexit is done it's gonna be a slog but the tide will turn (unlike the poor sods in town working at debenhams, house of fraiser and almost every other retail outlet.. their jobs are over).
I'm already seeing the American vapers recommending various cupcake flavour suppliers to add to unflavoured juice. Add to that Canada is following our route and produces a large amount of America's juice anyway.
Hope the books fill soon bud.