Food for thought

[crustyfolker]

I feel the cbd section should be removed. It is what brings up chat about weed. @ZT @Rob
having 30 odd years experience i can confirm cbd does nothing for pain it may relax you but it is one compound from a plant and with research i know other cannabinoids are needed to create the correct balance to give the pain relief required. Look at what former legal highs did or do to folks. They where another one compound job which is why they made folks the way they where/are. So for me CBD alone it doesn't work and may possibly be bad for you.
I understand the forum rules, i just think to nip something in the bud (pardon the pun) you have to remove the roots, CBD is the root in this case. beside which CBD is expensive for what it is. I don't want folk wasting money on it. Hopefully weed gets legalized soon . But i feel if we have a ban on weed we should ban talking about Alcohol, although legal it can and does create more problems. What i mean is make the forum even safer, ban all chat to do with drugs and alcohol including CBD. I am not looking to cause an argument here but hopefully it causes food for thought. Mods and admin should have a fool proof policy, which in my mind is you either ban all in a catorgory or you ban nothing. You know the drugs policies never work, It seems the UK is the most ignorant place in the modern world.We should Take a leaf from Amsterdam or the U.S and Canada.
I think maybe that freedom of speeach no longer applies in the UK. But without talking about things causes a problem to get worse or the whole truth is not revealed. Please don't take this the wrong way, i just think things need changing, ie no ban or a total ban on Drugs and Alcohol. Remember the whole Disposables thing, i was the one to start it, got told no by mods etc, then low and behold the admin decided they agreed. I think things should be thought out more with the CBD thing. I would happily see the section removed in the same way and then no one will talk weed or at least no one will read any BS about CBD either.
As said i can agrre to the ban but more needs doing to make it work. remove the CBD section for a month or 2 and see if it makes a difference. I know it will work, so why not try it. If it doesn't work then put the CBD section back.

 

[Deleted member 58360]

I personally put CBD in the same basket as holistic therapies, hypnosis and astrology... They all seem to "help" some people but that help always seems to require some sort of belief.

But, placebos are proven to work too, so...


I do however completely disagree that having a CBD section somehow encourages talk about weed - I used to be a member of a machinist forum and weed talk still appeared there regularly even though the closest section in terms of content was about cutting oil.

Having a CBD section at least gives the opportunity to direct people toward it with something like "there's a CBD section for the medicinal use of extracts".

And:

I think maybe that freedom of speeach no longer applies in the UK. But without talking about things causes a problem to get worse or the whole truth is not revealed

Followed by:

I would happily see the section removed in the same way and then no one will talk weed

Is just a little contradictory in my mind...

 

[zouzounaki]

i don’t think your anecdotal and subjective experience of cbd is a good reason for a section of the forum to be removed @crustyfolker . if you don’t want to read or post about cbd you can always just not look in the cbd section.

 

[Rob]

Interesting perspective...... "Bullshit about CBD"? Yes that is YOUR Opinion which of course you are entitled to voice, but I do think that all the people whom use it and derive benefit from it might disagree with you.
As the instigator of this particular thread, in which I related my wife's experience, I take issue with the notion that she is Bullshitting ANYONE!
I and she were VERY careful to repeatedly make the point that it works for her, but equally may not work for others!!

 

[Mitz]

Wifey has recently started using it for rheumatoid arthritis. Works great for her. Reduced her aches and helps her sleep. CBD is a legal product in the UK and benefits many people. Weed is a totally seperate subject and not legal.

 

[Chris K]

CBD within the Vape Industry is slowing anyway. Prices are falling as wholesalees are sat on mountains of stock they just can't shift.

I can't even remember the last time CBD was mentioned in the cafe and it used to be a daily occurance. Those who find benefit from it have found a supplier they are happy with and alot of the "youth" who assumed it was a legal high have realised their error and gone onto pastures new.

I believe the sub section of the forum should definitely stay. If it just helps a small amount of people, it's worth it. I don't know enough about CBD to make any call on whether it's a placebo effect or genuinely works, I leave that to people with far more experience. Purely from a anecdotal point of view, before Lizzies Dad passed he suffered with Parkinsons, we got him a device and some good quality CBD and he felt it helped him. That's good enough for me.

 

[crustyfolker]

Interesting perspective...... "Bullshit about CBD"? Yes that is YOUR Opinion which of course you are entitled to voice, but I do think that all the people whom use it and derive benefit from it might disagree with you.
As the instigator of this particular thread, in which I related my wife's experience, I take issue with the notion that she is Bullshitting ANYONE!
I and she were VERY careful to repeatedly make the point that it works for her, but equally may not work for others!!

Sorry for the misleading wording Rob. I haven't read the thread about Carol. But as said it doesn't (cbd) work for me. The BS i mentioned was due to things like false claims about strength etc and the fact it's common knowledge folks are making illegal stuff and selling it. I have a curviture of the spine which causes agony in my neck and lower back. This came about due to 4 months in hospital with a lung drain in and becuae of how i had to position myself in bed it caused the problem, which only became evident about 15 years ago. Tramadol is what i am prescribed, now they can stick that stuff in the bin, it is an apioid so its adictive.
My personal experience is based over 30 years period, So i feel someone with experience is better to ask. You wouldn't go to the cobblers with a bad neck, you would go to an experienced pharmacist. My specialists at the hospital are more than happy with how i relieve pain because it keeps me off man made poisons like tramadol. I think Doctors no more about all Drugs than anyone. It's highly possible that THC, CBN etc give some if not more relief as they mask the pain the brain feels as well as the actual pain relief to the area needing it. As said Rob i have been guilty of weed talk but as said i feel with my experience i have more knowledge than most. I don't use to get high i use for pain relief. We all know our own bodies and what's best for them. Christ if parcetamol worked i would use that instead.
Anyhow it is a sublect that's hard to prevent folks talking about in this day and age and it's going to get more over the years as more folks use than ever.
I feel removing the cbd thread is the way to go if you want to stop any weed talk. Thanks for listening @Rob

 

[Mitz]

The way to stop weed talk is for the posts to be reported by members and for the mods to do their job of cleaning up inappropriate content.

 

[Deleted member 58360]

My personal experience is based over 30 years period, So i feel someone with experience is better to ask.

Your experience is also based on a sample of one.

If I apply the same parameters I can quite legitimately state that chemo and invasive surgery are ineffective for long term cancer treatment, based on the sample group of one (my dad).

I feel removing the cbd thread is the way to go if you want to stop any weed talk

As I said above, I disagree with that. Restrictions on freedom of speech on a perfectly legal subject are in no way going to affect talk on illegal matters - it's exactly the same as banning adults from buying flavoured ejuice won't ever stop teenagers from smoking and taking drugs...

 

[Simon G]

I agree that it has had the unfortunate consequences of bringing 'weed chat' and weed spammers to the forum.

But however one feels about it, it's a legal and legitimate vaping product in the UK and should be able to be discussed on the forum. Personally I'd rather that was taking place in it's own section.

If companies are making "false claims about strength" etc, then it's good that people can talk about that on the forum too.

I don't really understand your position. I get the feeling your are trying to make some kind of 'point' but it's not clear to me exactly what that is?

"What i mean is make the forum even safer, ban all chat to do with drugs and alcohol including CBD" ..... and Nicotine as well presumably?

Is that your point? The forum is being hypocritical because it allows talk about some drugs and not others? Come on man, you know why that is. .. you just sound like a pissed off stoner.