The Case for MTL only or Multi use atomisers ...

[ZT]

Whats your opinions ?

for me I have yet to find an atomiser that can successfully carry out both MTL and DL

For me the two should be kept separate - once you put a massive hole in the airflow somewhere to accommodate DL .. it ruins the draw ..

The ones that have been nearest have always ended up being mediocre loose MTL or restricted lung

Two separate atties I say! unless someone really does some work on replaceable airflow paths

whats your guys opinion ?

 

[Simon G]

I gave up smoking vaping mtl on a Kanger Subtank (with the 1.5ohm coils) so I guess I'm in the 'yes it's possible' camp BUT .... the old subtank probably isn't airy enough for most DTL vapers these days and I soon switched to the Nautilus, which I preferred.

so I guess it's a yes and a no from me, it's possible to a degree, and a degree big enough to enable me to stop smoking but it's not going to offer the best experience for either probably ... but maybe 'good enough' for some. I vape with quite a loose draw anyway (for a typical mtl vaper it seems) so I certainly can vape on a less specific tank.

I read a load of comments under a youtube video saying the Innokin Ares couldn't do 'proper' MTL and I used that sucker with 2 or 3 holes open, so I'm not really sure what to think about that.

 

[ZT]

I gave up smoking vaping mtl on a Kanger Subtank (with the 1.5ohm coils) so I guess I'm in the 'yes it's possible' camp BUT .... the old subtank probably isn't airy enough for most DTL vapers these days and I soon switched to the Nautilus, which I preferred.

so I guess it's a yes and a no from me, it's possible to a degree, and a degree big enough to enable me to stop smoking but it's not going to offer the best experience for either probably ... but maybe 'good enough' for some. I vape with quite a loose draw anyway (for a typical mtl vaper it seems) so I certainly can vape on a less specific tank.

I read a load of comments under a youtube video saying the Innokin Ares couldn't do 'proper' MTL and I used that sucker with 2 or 3 holes open, so I'm not really sure what to think about that.

My guess is it depends where you started

Starting out on stuff like vivi novas and then Spheroids ... with airflow IN the 510 .. things were tight .. I honestly think airflow design a few years ago was far more advanced than it is now ... real thought used to be put into airflow and getting an exact type of draw .. these days it all seems to be about how big a hole you can get in something before it loses structural integrity!

take the airflow of the old Kayfuns (especially the lite) really well thought out .. perfect draw.

seems to be a skill that has been lost to market forces

 

[speedfreek67]

When I smoked, it was mostly tightly rolled anorexic roll-ups. Lots of resistance. That's mouth to lung.

Cigarettes have a much looser draw, with some resistance. That's also mouth to lung.

A spliff is looser still, some people DTL them but I also used to MTL them, so that's also mouth to lung.

I doubt it is possible to get the "sucking up a McDonalds milkshake" draw of a really tight MTL and the "taking a lungful of air as if you are about to swim underwater" draw of a really airy DTL in the same tank.

 

[Simon G]

My guess is it depends where you started

Starting out on stuff like vivi novas and then Spheroids ... with airflow IN the 510 .. tings were tight .. I honestly think airflow design a few years ago was far more advanced than it is now ... real thought used to be put into airflow and getting an exact type of draw .. these days it all seems to be about how big a hole yo can get in something before it loses structural integrity!

take the airflow of the old Kayfuns (especially the lite) really well thought out .. perfect draw.

seems to be a skill that has been lost to market forces

I think you're right, a lot of it is what you started with/ get used to .... some of my tanks are tighter than others and if I spend a few weeks vaping on something like the Hastur with a fairly tight insert, then switch to something a bit looser it feels REALLY loose at first. ... but I guess I'm quite adaptable as I seem to get used to it pretty quickly.

I think it's an area that does make a lot of difference to the vape though, not just the overall tightness but flavour, throat hit and just how the vapour 'feels' if you know what I mean?

 

[Sunastar]

I would agree with you@ZT both that airflow was better thought out in 2014/2015 offerings than it is now. I would also agree that market forces have been behind the change. Designers of good mtl tanks like the Hurricane, the Cloud One, and the Rose seemed to look at the growth in dtl in 2015/2016 and decided that they wanted a piece of the action with the result that they all brought out 'improved' versions with increased airflow which ruined those tanks from our mtl perspective. Hopefully the pendulum will swing back our way, but until then I will stick with my old 'unimproved' early versions having been lucky enough to have been around when they were current and available I.

 

[eightbitraptor]

I would agree with you@ZT both that airflow was better thought out in 2014/2015 offerings than it is now. I would also agree that market forces have been behind the change. Designers of good mtl tanks like the Hurricane, the Cloud One, and the Rose seemed to look at the growth in dtl in 2015/2016 and decided that they wanted a piece of the action with the result that they all brought out 'improved' versions with increased airflow which ruined those tanks from our mtl perspective. Hopefully the pendulum will swing back our way, but until then I will stick with my old 'unimproved' early versions having been lucky enough to have been around when they were current and available I.

I hope the pendulum will swing too but I’m scared that by the time it does these kind of manufacturers might not be around anymore having fallen to market forces and the Smok’s of the world.

 

[Simon G]

I hope the pendulum will swing too but I’m scared that by the time it does these kind of manufacturers might not be around anymore having fallen to market forces and the Smok’s of the world.

I feel like there's quite a few different things going on .....

I get the feeling that MTL vapers are generally more content as vapers and buy less gear, I have no idea how all these companies sell all these DTL RDA's that are all basically the same, it seems to me that DTL vapers are far more willing to keep buying.... where as MTL vapers (especially if they've invested in a genuine Kayfun or whatever) are far more happy to use the same tank for years. ... and I guess there's just not enough new customers to keep the company going. ... if you've bought a genuine Kabuki why would you ever bother looking at another stock coil tank again? I'm not sure I would.

... so there's that, which is just an impression I get.

... and I guess the same thing applies to mods to a degree, as long as it puts out 20w what more do you need?

I feel it's a much smaller market for those reasons, not because we are a dying breed but just because we don't consume at the same rate, until recently my best mate was still using the 40w Coolfire 4 he bought over 2 years ago. There was no reason for him to buy anything else, it eventually started giving up and I gave him my Aspire NX75, which he's more than happy with, all he ever buys is 4 or 5 10ml bottles and a packet of coils a month from vape club.

We even consume far less liquid over a month. I bought a triple pack of Tamahaac and a triple pack of Kona when they were released.. I still have a bottle of each left. ..., I'm not getting through 50ml a day.

looking at all that I'm not sure why a company would want to swing the pendulum the other way, the vast majority just want to sell stuff and make money and a the few MTL specialist companies who actually care are forced to go into other markets or die maybe..

sorry, that's all very depressing.

 

[Sunastar]

I think there will always be people like the Greek modders, the guys who designed the Ubertoot, the Hurricane, the Hussar and the Reaper. The real question I suppose is whether the designers can make enough and hang on to their product long enough to make any money before the Chinese cloners move in.
I would agree with you that China is potentially the problem, not because they are innovators developing great new product, but because they stifle innovation in Europe and elsewhere. The best case study is perhaps the Ubertoot, although the guy who designed it didn't help himself by only releasing small batches to use scarcity to increase their social cachet and desirability - remember the "one of not many" or whatever it was etched on the top of the tank. It was therefore no surprise when Coppervape moved in to meet the demand he was unable or unwilling to meet himself.

 

[eyeball kid]

I've been on a massive circulation voyage really. Having started in the time of the ce4' s within a month or two the nautilus arrived which really set the pace for me. I quickly became accustomed to the largest of the four holes which was 1.5mm I believe and switches down to the smaller size holes in the evening when I could vale in a more relaxed and natural way. The old kayfuns then proved it could be done better so the 1.2-1.5mm airflow is where I'm comfy.
Subtanks came and ohms got lower and airflow got larger and I found a few good liquids.
Now I've realised I'm happiest with mtl and dabble in big boy setups for those few liquids I just can't leave behind.
I may mainly squonk these day's and by christ it took ages to find the couple of rda' s that give a tight mtl vape but I'm happiest here.
I do think that mtl has mainly been left behind in the pursuit of bigger airflow, higher power and lower ohms. We seem to have arrived in a middle ground currently of the restricted lung hit and I think that developed as a style through single cell squonk mechs and has spread to tanks.
I would love to see this mtl revival continue and some of those old designs 're visited and perfected.