OFFICIAL ITV Rise of The E-Cig discussion

[KulrMeStoopid]

Although food flavours are called "oils" they are not. They are PG or alcohol based.
What is oil based are the cheap oil burner oils that are available at pound shops.

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Not entirely true, SOME flavours HAVE oil in them! Almond Oil for instance...

Thats why our FC providers and those potential are asked for ingredients lists!

http://wiki.planetofthevapes.co.uk/wiki/Guide_To_Flavouring Specifically LORANN which has oil based that are NOT safe for vaping

 

[madpiano]

Almond oil is a cooking oil and doesn't taste of almonds?

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[madpiano]

I do know some are oil based, I buy them to make lip balm. But I buy them from specialist shops, to ensure they do not contain alcohol or PG. They cost more than flavours as well.

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[KulrMeStoopid]

Almond oil is a cooking oil and doesn't taste of almonds?

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Im talking about the oil in almond flavouring

I know the difference between what you use for your beauty products and what we use for vaping e-liquid. It just needs to be pointed out that some FC's DO in fact contain oil and they are not safe for vaping, any vendor or mixer worth their salt needs to be aware of that. Flavours can be based in PG VG Water and Alcolhol, those are safest for vaping, those based in oils are not.

 

[madpiano]

I hope no one mixes oil based food flavours into their base. It would taste horrible as well?

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[VaperCaper]

In my opinion E Liquid is not made from oil !!! so if someone vapes oil based food flavoring mixed with nicotine they are not vaping E liquid ... If someone sells oil laced liquid with nicotine it is not E liquid .... The ITV did not say E liquid does not contain oil, they just said the man died 8 months after switching to E -cigs and a Doctor considered vaping had caused the Lipoid Pneumonia ... I'm sure the widow didn't know about this ailment or had considered E-cigs until the misinformed Doctor raised this suggestion ...

I agree with quite a lot of what you're saying. I think the oil segment was badly put together and there should have been some rebuttal from an e-liquid manufacturer, or ECITA (who do most of the e-liquid tests) to point out that e-liquid is not made from oil. Also the doctors quote "what his doctor referred to as 'oil blended with concentrated nicotine' " is just demonstrably wildly inacurrate.

I don't think that it was so badly done as to be a violation of the OFCOM impartiality rules, but if a complaint has been filed then OFCOM will have to rule on it.


It gets a bit complicated as some e-liquids do contain oil. Pluid certainly does (aniseed oil) and lots of flavours that use a natural extraction of something that will contain very small amounts of essential oils. Any liquid that does contain essential oils, the oil is a very small portion of it.

There are also cases of Lipoid Pneumonia in the medical literature that I've read caused by essential oils. Here is one case where a person used Primrose Oil and developed Lipoid Pneumonia after a decade of use.

How much essential oil is too much? We don't know. In the trace amounts found in some small % of e-liquids it's probably harmless.

 

[Fubar1977]

Just to be clear, I have offered my opinion except for one statement. OFCOM do have a code of practice that forbids "impartiality" ... Impartiality means both sides of the story is told.



The story of the death was told by the widow and ITV .... no one from the e-cig industry had a chance of rebuttal .... You can not count the ITV pointing out it was not Proven as a balanced rebuttal, they had an interest in the story.

Whether or not OFCOM will uphold the complaint is opinion ... But only airing one side of an accusation is not impartial !!!

Not to be argumentative Szaxe but if that`s what to believe then, by all means, complain to Ofcom and see what their response is.

I don`t feel it was justified to use that piece in the show, however it came across, to me at least, that they were actually struggling to come up with any real, substantiated negatives and so added that piece in the interests of "appearing" balanced.
It was never going to be a show aimed at the "Vaping community" it`s stuck right in the middle of Emmerdale.
It open`s the door for a wider, more balanced debate so, in that sense I believe it`s done some good.
It comes across far better than the BBC`s and Sky`s lopsided coverage currently does and I`m actually forced to pay for the BBC`s biased coverage ffs!

 

[Mawsley]

That doesn't appear to be an opinion to me ....

Saxe, if you are going to return to the forum and you can't read my posts without taking them as a personal attack and getting all bunched about it then how about you pop me back on ignore.

I explained the reasons why there was no breach quite clearly in a previous post and have suggested that if you want proof of a breach then you make a formal complaint and see what the result is. If you wish to take part of a post out of context in order to achieve some kind of Pyrrhic civtory then carry on, it doesn't bother me, I just see no reason why you get so vexed about my posts.

 

[anthonyb]

On the subject of oil in your flavourings. Out of the large amount of brands and flavours at my local big supermarket, only one did not list some form of oil in the list of ingedients.
As for other matters raised in this post, no comment.

PS. There is other types of oil you can vaporize, that people use. Not that I'm suggesting anything.

 

[Gonloopy]

Yup, that's why most of us don't get our flavourings from the supermarket and search out the ones suitable for vaping