Chris_vapehead Soz for late reply but I had to take some time out, but don't worry I didn't go back to the smokes. Yeah enjoying tinkering around with the coil, but there comes a point where you want something from that. I made the coil level with the airhole, ta for that, it helped somewhat but still lacking flavour. I think it could be the kanthal I am using. I bought some off an ebay store, but wasn't sure of the quality. Stealthvapes are doing free muji with every order at the mo, so I might order some kanthal from them. I do have some voodoowool from them but I didn't think it was any good (or perhaps that was the kanthals fault), but maybe the kanthal is. I could always try that in the dripper so I can see if the organic cotton is the problem (though I've used that same cotton in my kayfun with better results than in the dripper. And also used that same kanthal in the kayfun with better results (though not exceptional)). *Variables* eh, hope you're keeping up lol. Yeah the juice could be the issue too. Unfortunately I can't get on with high PG juices, 50/50's my limit but I prefer less PG than that. I've found all the premade VG juices I've tried (from 'premium' 'cheapish') to to be very lacking in flavour, so I've recently been diy'ing and adding as much flavour as needed. I used to think I only like fruit flavours, but I tried some premade Irish Cream flavour (too high PG for me to vape all the time though) and thought "this is it!" it was perfect for me. I've DIY'd some Capella Irish Cream (not the original one I tried) but it's not hit the spot. I understand high VG juices have their own particular flavour difference to high PG, but I think it's more to do with the flavour concentrate I'm using. Oh and btw the original premade Irish Cream flavour was from a local vape store and they won't tell me the flavour concentrate they use and while they sell some of their 'own' flavour concentrates, they won't sell the Irish Cream one. *Sigh* you can see how the frustration grows sometimes. Yeah I'm not going to spend any more money (and time!) on buying new things. My MVP 2 is sound and I barely ever go above 8 watts anyway, so it'll do for now. The Veritas is a good piece of kit as you say, so I will master it rather than go buy something else. I agree with you, if there are true innovations, fine, I may purchase something new. I replaced the wick on my kayfun the other day, and I realised that is has a 3mm coil in it. I forgot I build it 3mm, so I changed the 2mm coil in the dripper for a 3mm to see if that made a difference. It vaped very poorly and I couldn't understand why. Then I figured out that for some reason I had wound the negative tail twice around post before screwing it down. The coil should have read 1.1 but was reading 1.4. I removed the screw and put the tail back in without winding it round the post twice. Now it read 1.1ohms and it fired much better. Anyway I mention this because I'm happy that I'm learning from my own mistakes myself. I suppose it shows I am understanding this stuff more. However the flavour was still the same as it was with the 2mm coil. I will get Kanthal from somewhere else. From all the variables it could simply be because the Kanthal I was using was low quality. My kayfun vapes well but the flavour isn't that much different than the exact same flavour in a T3S clearo. Surely that isn't right. It could be the Kanthal, it could be the cotton, it might be every juice I've tried is not that great. I'll start with the Kanthal and cotton and see how I go. Ta for reading all that. Don't feel obliged to respond to everything I've said, unless you got all night, lol. One thing I would like a reply to is: do you think I should stick with 28Kanthal? It seems to suit the MVP 2 as it only fires down to 1.1ohm (getting the max out of the MVP anyway). So 28 Kanthal 1.1ohm is about 4/5 wraps on 3mm coil, so is that enough surface area? Cheers, lemon.